Rouhani administration has cancelled an anti-Israeli
conference that was scheduled to take place in early October in Tehran.
Ahmadinejad opened the first conference in 2005. The annual event, dubbed New
Horizon, showcased former president’s vitriolic anti-Israeli rhetoric.
jahannews.com reported today that the Foreign Ministry
scrapped the gathering because it was seen as undermining the government's
policy of “interaction with the outside world.” (jahannews.com/AP, 10 October)
mashreghnews.ir quoted an organizer of the event, Nader Talebzadeh, as saying that, “Cancellation of the anti-Zionist New Horizon festival is a disaster. It was the most powerful anti-Zionist conference in Iran.” (mashreghnews.ir/AP, 10 October)
mashreghnews.ir quoted an organizer of the event, Nader Talebzadeh, as saying that, “Cancellation of the anti-Zionist New Horizon festival is a disaster. It was the most powerful anti-Zionist conference in Iran.” (mashreghnews.ir/AP, 10 October)
Talebzadeh said 63 foreign scholars and 50 Iranian speakers
were expected to address the gathering. He added that he began inviting foreign
speakers back in May, when Ahmadinejad was in office.
File photo: Former Iranian president Mahmoud Ahmadinejad (2010, IRNA)
22 comments:
New Horizon was created as an answer to AIPAC. Roughly the equivalent of the annual AIPAC national summit in the US. Now would the US be willing to discontinue its own...?
Maybe they should instead organize a conference about how bad hejab is a cause for earth quake and invite experts and scholars (and all sort of islamic zombies) from all around the world to discuss how to further improve the hejab situation while continuing to foster sex jihad among islamic revolutionaries all around the world - ha ha ha ...
wasting contry's money and resources on nonsense. what has zion to do with Iran? is that an Iranian issue as a priority or 50% inflation more of a matter? let the 20 arab countries deal with zion that is if they have bottle enough. for 35 years they have made this anti whatever their bread and butter. hejab another nonsense creation by these ablahs. if god wanted women to cover their head and hair pernmanently, i am sure they would have had other features. i guess this is the culture ofg thaty land that in 21st century the only things matter is women covering their face and men shouting marh bar hame all day. makes you sick.
Anon 4:53 PM
You must be reading my thoughts :o)
By the way, Kuroush - the great the founder of Iran - gave recognition to the fact that Israel belongs to Jews by enabling them to return to their land Israel - this was 2500 years ago; so it make no sense to call Israel occupied territory like today by IRI; you can not let the history begin 100 years ago in order to fit it into your theory ; the illegal invaders are the Palestinians according to Kuroush - not Jews; you see the foundation of IRI is a imbecile historic lie that Islam and Palestinians were in Israel before Jews; well, why then did kuroush give the land to the Jews ? ha ha ha ...
Including the recent "law" to legalize the marraige of adopted female children to their "fathers". Disgusting regime.
AnonymousOctober 11, 2013 at 5:25 PM
Nothing like the stink of good old zionist hasbarah
AnonymousOctober 12, 2013 at 5:21 AM, true. No amount of hasbara shilling can change the fact that the zionist regime today, occupies lands that are not part of the zionist state.
Anon 5:25 PM
I agree with you 100 percent. But I hope you realize that Iran is being occupied by the Palestinian and tea cloth wearing arab wannabee terrorists? By the command of Kuroush-e- Bozorg Israel belongs to the Jews for ever,until the end of time.We will only honor and believe in Koroush-e-Bozorgs memory.Not some Regime-e-Doh Zari and their bedouin ways. The islamic regime was founded on a pack of lies and more lies. According to the regime's founder; "islam civilized Iran" LOL!! Now if you believe that nonsense then you might as well believe you see the terrorist regime's founders face on the moon. OOOPs! I think they did,LOL!! These are the types of backward creatures occupying and raping Iran and Iranian's.They will surely receive their just deserts.
Well I guess nobody lives nor cares about whatever was going on 2500 years or even 100 years ago when there was no Israel or Palestine as they stand today to properly speak of (or desperately try to do so, in the case of the latter). And I guess any honest individual would rather rely upon contemporary standards, maps and some early 20th century concept called world bodies where almost every nation on modern earth belongs to and at least pretends to refer to for matters of legitimacy, rather than whatever the planet looked like a couple millenniums ago when the world still believed in a hundred gods and goddesses, and Iran was still an empire spanning on most of the current middle east, former soviet states and a significant part of Russia, and where Native Americans still ruled North & South America... let alone Rome that came later and was a bit bigger than today's Italy if I'm not mistaken.. See, the problem is, 2500 years is a VERY LONG time. Notions of laws, the drivers that governed their interactions with one another, borders, and existentialism itself saw their definition changed countless times. And many extraordinary events happened in-between that might have altered world frontiers in countless ways up until now so basically the only de-facto reference to decide on current matters is to witness and judge whatever goes in live on the ground TODAY, by currently applicable standards and institutions, like state integrity, private property, UN Charter, etc.. unless of course you have a viable, alternative to put forward. Until then, I'll allow myself to stick to these norms instead, and not some antique and anyhow unverifiable reality that once stood as established facts.
To get back on the subject, what people may see if they observe the ground in 2013 in this region of the globe called Israel by the UN since 1948 is a country performing daily forceful eviction at gun-point of unarmed people living in their homes for generations, bulldozing their apartments whenever they feel like it, and sending people of their own in their place after they've built brand new housing units otherwise known as Settlements to accommodate them, and regularly shooting/locking up/torturing/exiling whoever tries to reclaim his property back, although it is recognized by the whole world except the violators themselves who make their own internal laws to legalize murder, dispossession and daily Human Rights abuses of all sorts on every level of Palestinians' existence, or bombing their population altogether every now and then to remind how's boss (Open Prison Camp aka "Gaza" anyone ?).
So no matter how inappropriate or treacherous the IRI indeed is in also pointing that out to advance its private agenda in the region (I'll be the first to concede that, they fool no one here) , it will nonetheless NEVER alter the fact that the whole zionist argumentation claiming it has the right to ethnically cleanse an a given population simply because their ancestors were there before anyone else is as bullocks as the Germans reclaiming
Eastern Europe, or France, or Britain in the 1940s.. As an Iranian I can reclaim Baghdad as well in this case, since we had in during the Sassanids! And how about the Mongols and Gengis Khan's conquests in the 1220s ? shouldn't we all give contemporary Mongolia whatever they once conquered from us ? with all due respect, Kuroush-e-Bozorg or not, the point you're trying to make is ludicrous. I answer to the command or memory of no one who's life as a leader and as human being ended a couple millennium ago where Society in general had absolutely nothing to do with modern Civilization, nor do I to those alive today, but wholly unworthy of this Nation's long and brilliant history we will get back to one day, sooner or later anyway. But I'll do for any individual or party able to set Iran back on track of its greatness and genuinely care about every single Iranian alive on its native soil.
-A
@ A , we can not discuss about this historic problems here; I say only this: my argument was a logical one and I believe that my argument has a logical force that can not be defeated by your moral arguments; I can respect your moral point of view though ...
Well I guess I will respectfully disagree, since your "logic" in my humble opinion, was merely a presentation of your ideological and moral obediences, by definition arbitrary in nature and not an argumentation. Indeed, it was devoid of practical facts other than your interpretation of what would Kuroush's antique view on Israel be today (or even then), which is hardly verifiable since he obviously didn't live to see what happened since 1948 in modern times, how the Jews of the world went to make British Mandate Palestine their own through terrorism and relied on deadly paramilitary groups to reclaim Jerusalem initially, or how they took possession of the territories they call theirs today by the sole force of arms in a surprise attack on all of their neighbors in 1967. And based on modern standards, regarding which my previous post is enough for all to see, one has ample possibility to judge who is the abuser and whom are the abused. If Kuroush the Great came back to life, witnessed the situation and said it is alright for the Israeli to inflict the daily harm they've been imposing on the Palestinians, grasp more than half of their territory militarily and outside of any international recognition of any sort by any entity representing the international community (US, their stalwart ally, included), and evict the initial occupants of the land they left thousands of years ago and suddenly decide to came back and reclaim after WWII on the sole basis that their ancestors once lived there and they missed the soil, he would be as wrong, dishonest and unfair as every Zionist is today.
And considering what we know of his sense of justice, he probably wouldn't keep his initial opinion on whether the Israelis are the legitimate owners of every inch of their contemporary territories anyway, contrary to what you say. Whatever he thought, did or declared 2500 years belongs to 2500 years ago, and is not carved in stone in relation to world events, I'm afraid.
Still, beyond that, both your conjectures and mine become entirely speculative and thus would become pointless if pushed any further. None of us knew Kuroush nor did even see him governing the Empire as simple citizens.
But our views on the issue may indeed be too far apart to leave space for any real kind of debate or discussion, I'll concede. The only matter we seem to agree on is that it is in no way the IRI's business to intervene as deeply and radically as they are doing today in the region. That conflict belongs and will/should end between the original belligerents. It has no place in Iran's history. Just as its current (lethal) joke of a government in place since 1979.
-A
@ A - Palestinians can go to hell as far as I am concerned - to be straightforward with you; the land belongs originally and historically to jews ( as acknowledged by kuroush - no speculation there) and you can not explain this very historical fact away by your hysteric reasoning; my argument is a logical device in order deconstruct the concept of 'occupation' which presuppose that Israel did not originally belong to Jews anyway which is again from historical point of view simply wrong (again no speculation there); and please you don't look good by turning hysteric in your argumentation - my logical device stand on its own feet; it does not need your consent - on the contrary it turns you into a hysteric as displayed above; Palestinians are not victims of the history; they stole the land (Muslim brother hood style) without the consent of its original owner and today they suffer the consequences of their own action; sorry for you the history did not begin in 20. century ...
The state of Israel did not exist before 1948. zionist jews occupying the holy land today are not the jews of ancient history. They are immigrants.
I Agree, but my point is up to a point necessarily distortive because we need a shift in Middle east from being a victim to being responsible for what ever we are or do; the Palestinian issue feed the sense of victim hood and irresponsibility that we see all over middle east and that is why it has become simply a toxic and cancerous issue ; if you want justice begin at home - not in Palestine ...
Anon October 14, 2013 at 5:31 AM,
I'd rather use the word hysteria to qualify your hateful consideration for Palestinians, that you had at least the honesty to finally express and acknowledge for us all to see, which speaks volumes about the objectivity of your one-sided ideology in the process, transpiring anger against Muslims as you poor those strong words of yours against them as a whole. Palestinians who die by the thousands every year through massive bombings are victims of history, mothers who give birth in cars because they get stranded at check-points are victims of history, Palestinian children who die via a head-shot wound fired by an Israeli soldier or settlers in occupied lands of during the bulldozing of their home are victims of history. I do not condone terrorism as practiced by Hamas (which is anyway not interested in peace, just as Likud), but they have no authority in East Jerusalem nor do they have in the West Bank so that pretext does not stand to justify murder.
You say I cannot "explain" the very historical fact.Well, I have nothing to explain by your standards, what you're pointing at is absolutely irrelevant to the issue, that's what you have such pain to understand, as an argument, it is void of any value today .You basically put words out of the mouth of a 2,500 years old leader who did not live to see the way contemporary Israeli immigrants took hold of what they call home today, first through terrorism and then via military conquest, beyond their internationally recognized borders in the current era. Who the hell even cares their 2,500 years old ancestors once stood or lived there, what kind of wicked justification is that ? Tomorrow I can come and kick you out of your home because I found out that you didn't get written permission to settle from one of my ancestors that once upon a time used to pay the bill at your place in around 2000 B.C but ultimately abandoned the place ? Would you agree to respectfully understand, pack your stuff and leave,while you watch me in turn put my stuff in your living room, sit back and relax on your couch, with my rifle in one hand and a Bible in the other ?
My goal by writing here is to put things under an alternative perspective for any subsequent reader that may stumble on your would-be logic justifying a people's crimes in the name of a thousands year-old context, where no country nor people in the world belonged to the same borders as today. See, despite all I have said above in my two posts, I have no rage nor hatred towards Israeli Jews and count some among my close friends, with family living in Israel within the pre-1967 borders. They had more than a right to find a place to call home, and Argentine was ready to give them just that after the genocide they suffered in WWII.
But those who killed, dispossessed, invaded, had no right in the world to do so, period. And the vast majority of the international community echo my very position in every America-vetoed UN vote they present to this World Institution in condemnation of Israeli policies and abuses, or when they support the creation of a Palestinian state every step of the way despite Israeli and American opposition. Now of course, that's just the UN, you got 2,500 year-old Kurosh right ? We'll just tell the Palestinians to go to hell just like you advised, it seems wiser than delivering true justice. The world must be too dumb to understand your intelligence on the issue I guess.
-A
@ A - you are obviously not a very experienced person; it is not enough for you to be just in your mind; if you want to be just in the real world then you have to be successful; only a successful person can be just; a loser can not be a just person- although he can pretend to; a loser who wants justice is a reactionary and dangerous; so as long as I do not see any reference in your argument about how to be successful in the real world I do not buy your argument of justice ...
AnonymousOctober 15, 2013 at 3:08 AM,
Another flawed and dangerous rationale here - define what is being successful or being a loser to go ahead. Fundamental Justice is a universal concept, every man has the right to live peacefully and with dignity, with a place to call home, but we're going way off-topic and don't expect me to fall for that, the article and the discussion that ensued have nothing to do with this. So please, either you're able to debunk the main points I've repeatedly brought up that went against yours... or don't waste my time, plain and simple. I will not dignify this one further, you'll understand. I am sorry, we know nothing about each other, and I have nothing to prove to you beyond that article, be my guest if believing I'm inexperienced makes you feel more comfortable in your quite questionable rationale you call logic since yesterday. But know that this is a very disrespectful manner of conducting a discussion, on a blog or anywhere else for that matter, such an obtuse mindset is not welcome on a serious blog such as this one.
Back on topic, in the meantime the world will just move forward. In our case, a seat in the UN as an observer state yesterday, and hopefully a real peace deal tomorrow, and finally, the right for having a dignity at least in a legal, official way, like South African blacks, despite all their persisting social difficulties today. Mandela was once considered a terrorist by western powers and probably people like you too, for refusing enslavement of his people as 2nd rate citizens on their own soil. Once, people like you considered having an internationally recognized Palestinian Authority as a joke, and after a global uprising, the first Intifada, it happened. There will be more uprisings of the sort, until they achieve justice for themselves, I hope you live to see it with your eyes. Refusing injustice and seeking dignity is a natural human behavior, you can't repress it, no matter how hard you try, just never forget that. Of course my words are directed towards sane individuals, and not people basing their current views on what the Earth looked like 2,500 years ago while calling others losers.
Regards,
-A
@ A - defining success? Well that is an answer beyond the horizon of Muslim brotherhood; sorry for you - your fake president Ahmadinejad appointed a man as minister of science who forged his academic grades (and of course his election too); so it is no surprise that people like you don't understand what success mean ...
Look, prying into the crowning achievements of my personal and professional lives add nothing to the discussion. If you're dragging me into a dirty ad-hominem argumentative framework, then you have absolutely no footing, nor authority, to express your "intellectual" views of the world, as bankrupt and unoriginal as they are. Let's stay within the scope of the discussion. If you solely base the ability of providing human rights for all and a fair international justice system through the narrow scope of successful careerism, again, your position is void of any value, tired, and apathetic. If you truly believe what you claim, then you're not an intellectual, but rather a demagogue in disguise, nothing more. I invite you to look through the signed history of my posts in this blog and see for yourself that I've never once supported the autocratic, theological, dictatorship of Iran, quite the contrary. We all know how bad, terrible, barbaric, mean and archaic the Ayatollahs are. How about looking at your beloved Israeli gov't for once and applying the same critique you do for Iran than you would for the so-called "Ancient Jewish Homeland ?" As I said before, Israel is the country who has violated the highest number of UN resolutions. Israel is the last European colonial state of the 20st century. Israelites, especially those "settlers" who come out of the boonies or God knows where, kill non-violent Palestinian farmers while they are respected "citizens" in that piece of land where they've committed a 70-year long ethnic genocide (oh btw, probably your favorite Jewish historian, Benny Morris, agrees with that fact as much of a Zionist fanatic as he is, just like you). It's well documented that Netanyahu wants to fracture the occupied Palestinian territories and push the remaining Palestinians residing the West Bank into Jordanian refugee camps. There is an active movement right now to deport Ethiopian or other citizens of African descent (even political refugees) back to their country of origin because they "taint" the Israeli heritage (whatever that means). Besides, as the negotiations move forward in a atmosphere deemed as positive by both Iran and the P5+1 representatives on the nuclear issue, infuriating Netanyahu every step of the way and prompting his pathetic non-stop flights from Tel-Aviv to Washington in-between every closed-door meetings, the Israeli-American romance on this affair is coming to an end. Unlike you, Liberal American Jews know too much, they know what's happened in Operation Cast Lead and other murderous operations launched to curb Palestinian "terrorism" . Indeed, I find it funny how a Hellfire missile dropped on hospitals, schools, chicken farms and UN property isn't considered as state-sponsored terrorism in your eyes. But you know what ? it doesn't surprise me, you're not a very smart nor intellectually honest fellow, obviously.
And finally, the ultimate irony : your inability to see that your government outside of the prism of a couple European states and the United States, is viewed as the biggest international pariah and rogue state on the planet. Opposing Zionism in its expansionist dimension, and supporting Palestinian statehood within pre-1967 borders is indeed not exclusive to the IRI nut-jobs and rather encompasses countless ideological colors within the international community and the UN, including many harsh opponents of the Islamic regime, the US itself and the vast majority of Europe as well. Remember the loud laugh that ensued the Israeli representative saying "No" during the successful vote to upgrade the Palestinian status as an Observer State last year ? well that's the world I live in. You keep on fantasizing about whatever was going on planet Earth some 2,500 years ago, you funny person.
-A
AnonymousOctober 17, 2013 at 3:30 AM
I see we're using big words now ! "Inanity" indeed. You of all people still dare even use this word, while all you've accomplished so far has been looping on some couple thousand year-old biblical bullshit you endorse as a modern reference as to how the world should go forward today, noted. FYI : I'm still a harsh opponent of that regime, and I still haven't converted to Islam, and don't intent to do so. But you seem to have trouble dealing with the fact that it certainly doesn't take an Islamist to destroy your so-called "logical force" anytime (and quite the contrary, since their arguments against Zionism are generally as dumb, untrue and fanatical as their Jewish extremist equivalents such as yourself). And I know you don't care about Palestinians, you've made your racist and intolerant position pretty clear in that regard for all to see already, the same way I don't expect you to be able to address even a single point I've brought up against yours all along, instead tirelessly resorting on cheap attempts at making this exchange a personal one, a childish behavior in regards to which I concede your tenacity is as tedious as it is a sound reminder of both your moral and intellectual weakness. As far as my "pseudo moralistic bullshitting" is concerned (I laughed on this one), well your beloved Israel gets a crushing beating by 99% of world countries every time Palestine is concerned in the UN, and is often left with little more than US (Congress) support and well, yes... the Marshall Islands too, I concede. I rather regard your repetitive and empty, antiquity-related looping bickering as the kind of painfully weak bullshit that nobody ever gives a damn about in international arenas, beyond the closed circles of settler populations and neo-cons such as renowned Alaska scholar Sarah Pahlin. Btw, How did you feel when the IDF withdrew from South Lebanon in 2000 and failed to re-occupy it in 2006 ? wasn't that a piece of Eretz Israel too, some 2,500 years ago ? Now on a side note, if I may also ask : in which illegal West Bank settlement do you live ? no let me reformulate : on top of which bulldozed Palestinian property have you made a living ? and how many of its original owners got murdered in the process ? but silly me, I have my answer, you probably enjoy it.
-A
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